the drone isn't getting weaker at all.
people who don't read dev blogs would call it a nerf.

doesn't change the fact that the gecko isn't getting nerfed.

if you want to change the definition of nerf, feel free.
however that also doesn't change the fact that the gecko isn't getting nerfed.

Only relative to the item's previous stats, and those stats are pretty much universally going up, except in the case of the Gecko, where they stay the same since they arrive pre-buffed and nothing changes.

So: no change GÇö no nerf.

because it's drone interfacing that's being nerfed, not the gecko.
sure the result is the gecko doing less damage - but that's not because the gecko is getting nerfed; drone interfacing is.

It would be a nerf to cap-based turrets as a class just like the DI nerf is a nerf to drones as a class. It would not be a nerf to Megapulse Lasers just like how the DI nerf is not a nerf to Geckos GÇö it's a nerf to DI.

still a more accurate source than the one cited for the gecko's nerf since it isn't being changed, and all.

Skill really doesn't matter at this point, all they did was shift the bonus from being purely skills to being skills and drones. ALL drones will be gaining 33% more damage. The Gecko will not since it has already been modified. This does not nerf the Gecko in anyway, it just buffs already existing drones. Yes, there will not be a larger gap between the two but that in no way constitutes a nerf. If you only use the Gecko all the time every time, you will still be getting the same damage, they same HP, and performance as you are now, that is not changing in any way. The only thing this change is affecting is other drones and thus you will get buffs to help be more competitive with the Gecko.

To say that this effectively kills the Gecko's usage is a bit shortsighted if you ask me. The Gecko is getting no loss in DPS, it just appears that way if you are using other heavies because the gap is smaller.

People are asy to spoil, easy to upset and feel entitled to, well, everything.

And yea, I wish they'd puff puff pass that good green to me too (in game lol)

it holds water fine.

if we removed everything that isn't a gecko change from the kronos expansion, then deployed kronos... well it'd be the fastest patch in the history of eve, and the gecko would remain as it is (because you know, not getting nerfed)

exactly, there is no gecko nerf.

except there isn't a gecko nerf, read the thread.

i wouldn't have to selectively quote, if you'd read the thread and not **** post.

hence, it's not being nerfed.
you've been told several times.

nobody has ever denied that drone interfacing is being nerfed. in fact, we've pointed it out several times.

no, it's a nerf to the drone interfacing skill. all drones are being buffed, except the gecko which is remaining unchanged.

you know the DI skill is being nerfed, you know the gecko isn't. you're aware of the facts.

To neckbeard or not to neckbeard, that is the question

of course it doesn't exist in isolation.
except, that doesn't change the fact that the gecko isn't being nerfed.

the drone interfacing nerf, is a drone interfacing nerf.

I don't see how it's even actually possible to nerf something that is about to be buffed.
They aren't changing the stats, unless it's to maintain their current capabilities, in which case, it isn't actually a nerf.

So, HTFU.

drones aren't being nerfed, they're being buffed (except the gecko).
drone interfacing is being nerfed.
if you're still confused at this point, i suggest you read the devblog.

the gecko isn't being nerfed, it's not being changed.
seems you don't understand that simple concept.

So if the Gecko had been introduced as-is after the skill change, you'd be perfectly happy with it?

except that's the drone interfacing skill being nerfed, not the gecko.
look, we've been through this. instead of posting more crap just go through the posts in this thread to realise whatever you're about to post has been addressed already.

it has been addressed several times.
nerfing drone interfacing is a nerf to drone interfacing, not the gecko.

no, i'm not saying that at all. read what i wrote.

You obviously missed the part where Caldari drones are getting a HUGE tracking and speed bonus, so they will be able to more effectively apply their DPS, putting them on-part with Gallente and Minmatar drones.

Last time I checked, Geckos are technically Caldari.

Can you not understand that the Gecko's stats were created in the first place with the Drone Interfacing change in mind?

because a nerf to drone interfacing isn't a nerf to the gecko.
a nerf to drone interfacing is a nerf to drone interfacing.
it's true because the gecko just flat out isn't being nerfed, or changed in any way.

seriously, read the thread before you post things that have already been addressed (repeatedly).

no, i'm saying the drone interfacing nerf isn't a nerf to the gecko (again).

the 2 being related is irrelevant. the gecko simply isn't being nerfed.

Drone Interfacing modifies all drones. Thus DI being nerfed isn't nerfing the Gecko it is nerfing all drones equally. You have, for some reason, chosen to fixate on the Gecko in isolation to all other drones. The Gecko is receiving a temporary buff compared to all other drones, since its stats are based on Kronos rebalancing, while the other drones have yet to be altered for Kronos.

Please, quit the trolling. It's not funny.

how can it be? very simply. it just isn't getting nerfed. it's not getting changed.
i don't understand why you're having such a hard time understanding that if something doesn't change, it doesn't get nerfed.

the gecko isn't getting changed.
you can't nerf something that isn't getting changed.

you either change it or you don't, and in kronos the gecko isn't being changed. (or nerfed)

repeating things, doesn't change facts.

the gecko still isn't getting nerfed (and it's still not getting changed since it already has it's kronos stats as per fozzie's tweets)

the done isn't changing though, as we've been told by ccp.

the definition is irrelevant, you can't nerf something if it isn't changing.
also, of course there's no source. the word doesn't actually exist in the english language, it's slang.

no, you just clearly said it's a nerf to controlled bursts.
hopefully your example illustrates to you why the gecko isn't being nerfed.

no, none of the hybrids or lasers are changing.
you said a change to controlled bursts, you didn't mention any changes to lasers or hybrids.

no, i'm just telling you lasers and hybrids aren't getting nerfed (because that was your question).

no, i'm just pointing out a nerf doesn't happen when things don't change.
i've been doing it for about 10 pages now. don't know why you're having such trouble with basic english.

This thread is still going?

yes things are changing; the gecko isn't one of those things.

because it doesn't matter if they affect each other, one is being nerfed one is not. (hint: the one not being nerfed is the gecko)

look, if the gecko were being nerfed the change would be uniform for all players. that's simply not the case because the gecko isn't being nerfed.
the change to drone interfacing is uniform for all players, because DI is being nerfed.

if your leading questions aren't getting the answers you want. could you just construct them better instead of barraging me with ******** questions in an attempt to salvage... whatever it is you're trying to salvage.

also my alt will get the same damage with geckos pre and post kronos, so remind me how the gecko is being nerfed? (hint: it isn't)

i'm not going with uniformity, i'm going with the fact that if nothing's changing there's no nerf.

so where's the nerf if my gecko is going to be doing the same damage before and after kronos?
i'll laugh at your answer in the morning, i like sleeping more than i like laughing at you.

I disagree. The Gecko has been introduced into the game with its stats pre-buffed. Your refusal to acknowledge this fact, along with your desire to have something to complain about in order to stretch a forum thread out for page after page of "is not!" "is too!" trolling, leads you to believe that the Gecko is somehow getting nerfed after the patch.

All drones are getting rebalanced after the patch. The Gecko is an anomaly because it is already rebalanced today, before the patch. It received its Kronos buff before it was introduced into the game, because CCP doesn't want to have to rebalance it a few days after adding it to the game.

There is no, "from a certain point of view" debate to be had here, except for the situation where you refuse to acknowledge the evidence that has been provided. CCP Fozzie clearly stated that it's being introduced pre-buffed. All drones are being adjusted for Kronos, some are rebalanced up, some are rebalanced down, most are being rebalanced as part of the Kronos patch, the Gecko was being rebalanced before the patch. Attempting to evaluate the Gecko as it exists today, before the patch, in comparison to other drones today, before the patch, without considering that the Gecko is pre-buffed, is wilful ignorance of the highest order: you are wilfully ignoring the information that is being spoon fed to you in this thread.

The Gecko has a temporary buff until Kronos arrives, at which point the changes to drone skills will remove that temporary buff.

The only reason you believe it will be nerfed in Kronos is that you didn't see the Gecko's stats before it was buffed. It was horrible! In fact it was so bad that CCP had to not include it in the game!

I swear the ISDs are asleep at the wheel or in a vodka-induced coma. Why this thread is still alive is beyond me.

IBTL.

A nerf means that the stats of a thing are being changed to reduce the affect of that thing. Skills can be nerfed, as can items. Thus the skill "Siege Warfare" might be altered such that the extra shield capacity is added as "empty" shields. On the other hand, the "Siege Warfare" skill might be altered such that the extra shield capacity is added as "full" shields in proportion to the target ship's current shield charge. This change does not nerf or buff shield tanking modules, it nerfs or buffs shield tanking.

The thermal drone range are being nerfed: their stats will change. Overall, the drone weapon system is being nerfed. The Gecko's performance will change between the moments before and after the Kronos release, not because the Gecko is being changed but because the drone weapon system is being changed. The nerf is the change that was made. The reduction in performance is the result of that change.

"The drone weapon system is being nerfed" is not equivalent to "The Gecko and the Acolyte and GǪ are being nerfed." The changes to Drone skills alter the performance of all drones equally. Some drones are getting buffed, some drones are getting nerfed, some drones are being differently-empowered, but all drones will .

So to define nerf and buff, try this on for size: an item is nerfed when its base stats are altered to deleteriously affect the performance of that item in its intended role. An item is buffed when its base stats are altered to advantageously affect the performance of that item in its intended role.

Nerfs to classes of items are not commutative with nerfs to individual items. That is a nerf to "Drones" is not a nerf individually to each type of drone. Each type of drone will perform worse thanks to the nerf, but no type of drone was nerfed. The nerf was to the "base stats" (i.e.: skills) of a weapon system.

Nerfs to individual items are not commutative with nerfs to classes of items. If the DPS of Hobgoblins is reduced, this is a nerf to Hobgoblins, not to the drone weapon system.

If the "Sharpshooter" skill was nerfed, this would not be a nerf to beam lasers because beam lasers would have their range reduced by the same proportion as all other turret-based weapon systems. Beam laser range would be reduced because turrets were nerfed, not because beam lasers were nerfed.

So there's my definition of "nerf": it's a change to a game element that has deleterious effect upon the use of that element in the game. Changes to dependencies are not commutative with changes to dependants: if A is nerfed such that B which depends on A has reduced performance, B is not nerfed. If B is nerfed, it is not true that A (which B depends upon) was nerfed.

Let's try to express it mathematically:

A is Drone Interfacing.
B is the Gecko.
C is an abstract representation of "performance"

B x A = C
A -(nerf)-> A'
A' < A
B x A' = C'
C' < C

B has not changed. What changed were A->A' and C->C'. The nerf was only applied to A, B is the same, but C (the performance of B) changes as a result of the nerf.

yes, drones are getting a buff, DI is getting a nerf, the gecko isn't getting either.

good, perhaps now you know there's no gecko nerf, you can shut up.
also, good morning.

I, too, like pedantic arguments about irrelevant points.